For Christians:

[johnlubic]

I have some questions I've been looking to discuss with Christians about their beliefs, if anyone is interested in discussing them. I'll start with: According to the Bible, how does one get into heaven?

[Daniel]

Excellent. I'd be more than happy to answer any legit questions regarding Christianity.

One does not get into heaven by works, as you supposedly do with many of the world's other religions. With Christianity, you must believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again.

According to Jesus, he is the only way to heaven. You must confess that Jesus is God and belief that God raised him from the dead. According to Romans, if you do this, you will be saved. One point is also that it is not good enough to simply believe. The Bible also says that even the demons belief, and they tremble. You must live it.

[johnlubic]

One does not get into heaven by works, as you supposedly do with many of the world's other religions. With Christianity, you must believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again.

According to Jesus, he is the only way to heaven. You must confess that Jesus is God and belief that God raised him from the dead. According to Romans, if you do this, you will be saved. One point is also that it is not good enough to simply believe. The Bible also says that even the demons belief, and they tremble. You must live it.


So when babies die they can't go to heaven?

EDIT: And what about all the decent human beings that lived BEFORE Jesus Christ? Or before Jesus' word was spread to them? And good, caring, loving people who weren't born into Christianity? Say they were born Jewish or Muslim? What about them? And I thought the Bible said only 144,000 Jews were going to heaven?

[Daniel]

So when babies die they can't go to heaven?

There are different views on this, but most Christians I've met believe in the age of accountability. Basically, if a child has not reached the point in his life to which he can understand such things, God will demonstrate his mercy and grace by excempting them. We can see this simply by the nature of God.

[Daniel]

EDIT: And what about all the decent human beings that lived BEFORE Jesus Christ? Or before Jesus' word was spread to them? And good, caring, loving people who weren't born into Christianity? Say they were born Jewish or Muslim? What about them? And I thought the Bible said only 144,000 Jews were going to heaven?

Before Jesus came, the previous method of temporary redemption of sin was an animal sacrifice.

As for the 144,000 Jews, that is incorrect. I believe that it is 144,000 Jews that will be saved after the rapture/during the Tribulation.

[johnlubic]

There are different views on this, but most Christians I've met believe in the age of accountability. Basically, if a child has not reached the point in his life to which he can understand such things, God will demonstrate his mercy and grace by excempting them. We can see this simply by the nature of God.

Ok, you posted this before I edited my post, so I'll get to those other questions later, but isn't this just an example of Christianity tailoring their faith to fit the moral standards of the day? Christians are often quick to say, "Well the Bible says..." But what about the things the Bible DOESN'T say? Sure, the "age of accountability" sounds great, but that's not God's word.

[johnlubic]

As for the 144,000 Jews, that is incorrect. I believe that it is 144,000 Jews that will be saved after the rapture/during the Tribulation.


Forgive my ignorance, seriously, but what's the difference? Does that mean that only 144,000 Jews alive at the time of the end of the world are going to heaven, and the rest to hell?

[Daniel]

Ok, you posted this before I edited my post, so I'll get to those other questions later, but isn't this just an example of Christianity tailoring their faith to fit the moral standards of the day? Christians are often quick to say, "Well the Bible says..." But what about the things the Bible DOESN'T say? Sure, the "age of accountability" sounds great, but that's not God's word.

By nature we are sinful, so everyone deserves to go to hell. There are refferences in scripture that could possibly be used to back the doctrine of the age of accountability, but I honestly do not know of them. But by reading the Bible we know the nature of God. We know he is loving and accepting. God would not send an unborn or newborn child or a mentally handicapped person to hell - simply because they do not yet have the ability to accept him.

Forgive my ignorance, seriously, but what's the difference? Does that mean that only 144,000 Jews alive at the time of the end of the world are going to heaven, and the rest to hell?

I cannot honestly say that is the case. The scripture suggesting this is found in Revelation, which can be a very controversial topic. However, I do think you are correct. It's not so much that it's limited to the 144,000, but rather that that may be the amount God knows will be saved. Another possibility is that these are those "sealed by God" as the passage says, and not that there will only be 144,000 Jews, but these are a sort of special group annointed by God.

[johnlubic]

By nature we are sinful, so everyone deserves to go to hell. There are refferences in scripture that could possibly be used to back the doctrine of the age of accountability, but I honestly do not know of them. But by reading the Bible we know the nature of God. We know he is loving and accepting. God would not send an unborn or newborn child or a mentally handicapped person to hell - simply because they do not yet have the ability to accept him.


But isn't that a bit contradictory? "By nature we are sinful?" Because some chick ate an apple, a baby deserves to go to hell? Isn't it a bit evil of God to put a beautiful fruit in front of people only to tell them they can't eat it? That seems kind of sadistic to me.

[goblin paste]

Existence preceeds essence, aye?

[Krovisser]

Existence preceeds essence, aye?

Yes. :cool:

[Adstar]

Forgive my ignorance, seriously, but what's the difference? Does that mean that only 144,000 Jews alive at the time of the end of the world are going to heaven, and the rest to hell?

Hello Johnlubic :)

The Bible does not say that the 144,000 will be going to heaven. what it does say is that the will be saved from the destruction that will come upon the earth at the time of the return of the Messiah Jesus. They are identified as innocents.

The need for salvation comes when we reach an age where we understand good and evil. Babies and little ones do not understand fully understand these concepts. therefore they are still in the adam /eve kind of state. I will use the bible to show you where God Himself clearly states that little ones do not yet have the knowledge of Good and evil. Please read:

Deuteronomy 1:39
"Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

This is when the tribes of Israel where in the desert and refused to go into the Promised Land because of fear of it's inhabitants. God decided to punish the people by forcing them to wonder in the desert for 40 years so that all of the generation that had refused to enter the Promised Land would die and never enter it. But as he says above about their little ones

"WHO TODAY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL"

This is the crucial statement from God about the little ones they are innocent.


The Messiah Jesus made an interesting statement concerning little ones too.

Matthew 18:10
"Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Paul wrote

Romans 7
9I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.

Paul is clearly saying that he once was alive without the law this was when he was a little one. Once Paul came to the understanding of Good and Evil his carnal nature came to the fore.


I hope this helps with your question.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstar]

But isn't that a bit contradictory? "By nature we are sinful?" Because some chick ate an apple, a baby deserves to go to hell? Isn't it a bit evil of God to put a beautiful fruit in front of people only to tell them they can't eat it? That seems kind of sadistic to me.

God gave them clear warning that they would die if they came to the knowledge of Good and Evil. They chose to join satan because they wanted the same thing as satan wanted. To be Gods.



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[johnlubic]

The Bible does not say that the 144,000 will be going to heaven. what it does say is that the will be saved from the destruction that will come upon the earth at the time of the return of the Messiah Jesus. They are identified as innocents.

So if it was known 2,000 years ago that 144,000 people will be spared "this destruction upon the earth," then there is no such thing as free will. God creates us, so he clearly is creating humankind with the FOREKNOWLEDGE that only 144,000 people will be deemed "innocents." Therefore, if mankind truly had free will, God would not have known the number of "innocents."

[JeremiahGateFan]

So if it was known 2,000 years ago that 144,000 people will be spared "this destruction upon the earth," then there is no such thing as free will. God creates us, so he clearly is creating humankind with the FOREKNOWLEDGE that only 144,000 people will be deemed "innocents." Therefore, if mankind truly had free will, God would not have known the number of "innocents."If God exists, then he knows the infinite consequences of every action, therefore, he also know what you will do.

[Illuminatus]

But if the universe is solely deterministic then god, who controls the initial conditions is solely responsible for everyone's acts.

[JeremiahGateFan]

No, he didn't determine what would happen, he just knows what will happen. It is impossible for a God to exist that is limited by time and therefore unable to predict it.

[johnlubic]

It is impossible for a God to exist that is limited by time and therefore unable to predict it.


So if God knows the future, why would he predestine people to go to hell?
Why pray? If God knows the future, prayer is irrelevant.
Why does God constantly use the word "if" in the bible if he is all-knowing? Shouldn't he just say "when?"

[Illuminatus]

No, he didn't determine what would happen, he just knows what will happen. It is impossible for a God to exist that is limited by time and therefore unable to predict it.

Just saying 'no he didn't' is not a real argument.

If the universe is deterministic and god is omniscient then yes, he IS responsible for everything. That's like saying someone who lines up dominos and knocks them over is not responsible for the last one falling down.

[Adstar]

So if it was known 2,000 years ago that 144,000 people will be spared "this destruction upon the earth," then there is no such thing as free will. God creates us, so he clearly is creating humankind with the FOREKNOWLEDGE that only 144,000 people will be deemed "innocents." Therefore, if mankind truly had free will, God would not have known the number of "innocents."

John Just because the bible states that 144,000 jews will be preserved through the time of destructuin does not mean that the bibles has said that other human beings will not also survive the destruction. God has made his promise to Abraham and he will keep it that is why the 144,000 jews will be preserved.

Read the following it talks of the great multitude that will have eternity with God:

Revelation 17
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“ Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”



The next point you have brought up in the topic of God's forknowledge of the future of each and every human on earth. Yes it is true that God already knows our eternal future and He has known it since the foundation of the World. But this does not mean that He has forced the actions and decisions upon His creation. God as the creator of the universe therefore He is not bound by the environment of the universe. Part of this environment is universe Time. God is not bound by the time lock of the presant that we are confined too.

While no analogy can adeqitly portray this, to make it simple just think of God being in a demension outside our time but having the ability to see all our time at one time.

Like an artist sees the entire painting he is creating. God created a universe where we have the free will to choose, Yes he already knows what we will choose because he has already seen our lives in total but we do not see all our lives, we are making our decisions from our own free will, we will choose the way we go and we where always going to choose the way we where going to go. But we are not forced to go where we will to go.

If you notice in the bible, nearly all biblical prophecy is written in the past tense, that is it is written as if it had already happened. Why because from Gods perspective it has already happened.


God said to Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 1
4 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying:
5 “ Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”


The book of life.
Revelation 17
8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 13
8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.



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[Daniel]

Regarding the aspects of predestination - there is no set standard in Christian doctrine. Some denominations/individuals believe in an unmeansured future with free will. Others believe in predestination - even to a point of no prayer or evangelism.

I personally believe that yes, God knows the future, but his foreknowledge is based on our decisions. He knows what we will do before we do it, but we still have the choice and ability to make the decision in the first place.

[chachynga]

I have some questions I've been looking to discuss with Christians about their beliefs, if anyone is interested in discussing them. I'll start with: According to the Bible, how does one get into heaven?
Only Christ gets Heaven.

No one else.

[chachynga]

But isn't that a bit contradictory? "By nature we are sinful?" Because some chick ate an apple, a baby deserves to go to hell? Isn't it a bit evil of God to put a beautiful fruit in front of people only to tell them they can't eat it? That seems kind of sadistic to me.
he did it perhaps because something like that evil was once already destroyed once before

God does not put people in a torture place for ever to suffer

that is a judeo-christian=Not Christian=Jew=Talmud=Babylonian teaching

Hell exists, but is not a suffering eternal pain.

Hope that helps

[chachynga]

Existence preceeds essence, aye?
who really cares about that anyway

[chachynga]

God gave them clear warning that they would die if they came to the knowledge of Good and Evil. They chose to join satan because they wanted the same thing as satan wanted. To be Gods.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
They Transgressed the law.

They did not Join Satan.

If they did, then God must approve, he sacrificed an animal and clothed them.

[JeremiahGateFan]

Back up everything you just said with evidence or scripture. I dare you! You will find nothing Valid. Including the thing you posted somewhere else about God being masculine and The Anti-christ being feminine.

[chachynga]

Back up everything you just said with evidence or scripture. I dare you! You will find nothing Valid. Including the thing you posted somewhere else about God being masculine and The Anti-christ being feminine.
Puking Up true Milk I see

I could get very into detail, but as your antagonistic here your attitude will surely be more satanic then

so be a good berean and search it out

what ye know that sin=Transgression of Law don't you
yes or no young lad

hum

and did not or did so God Provide the Sacrifice IN THE GARDEN...
yes or no young lad

Go study and reflect young lad

[JeremiahGateFan]

Puking Up true Milk I see

Your the one full of unbacked crap here. I'm simply demanding truth. It says in YOUR bible PROVE ALL THINGS II Thessolonians 5:21

I could get very into detail, but as your antagonistic here your attitude will surely be more satanic then

so be a good berean and search it out

1. My attitude is called FIND THE TRUTH!,
2. Your attitude is called I ALREADY HAVE THE TRUTH SO I DON'T NEED TO PROVE OR LISTEN TO ANYTHING

what ye know that sin=Transgression of Law don't you
yes or no young lad

Of course I know that sin=transgression in all Christian doctrine. Oh...So your one of those who thinks that just cuz your old, your smarter. Guess what, THEY ARN'T ONE IN THE SAME!!!

and did not or did so God Provide the Sacrifice IN THE GARDEN...
yes or no young lad

Are you refering to the mountain, there was no sacrifice provided in Eden. STOP CALLING ME YOUNG LAD!!!

Go study and reflect young lad

I am already reading a book and I will not read any other book until this book is finished. You need to provide evidence for what you say and not just assume that your better than everyone else because you have all the answers OLD MAN!!

[JeremiahGateFan]

By the way, you've made it blantantly clear that your original intention was to say as much as you can, and then be booted out. If you're here as a witness for Jesus, why are you making such a mockery out of Him. You're making outrageous statements and then hurling childlike insults at the first site of resistence. If your a witness, you're a bad one. Who the Hell is gonna join a religion belonging to someone like you. Now adstar, or raphael, they know how to atleast not make fools of themselves like you do, and present Jesus to the forums. You say that Agnostics have satan-like attitudes, but it has become blatantly obvious that it is you, who runs against good christianity. You know, the kind that actually converts people.

[Adstar]

You will know them by their fruit.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Daniel]

he did it perhaps because something like that evil was once already destroyed once before

God does not put people in a torture place for ever to suffer

that is a judeo-christian=Not Christian=Jew=Talmud=Babylonian teaching

Hell exists, but is not a suffering eternal pain.

Hope that helps

If you can, back this with scripture.

[Mr. Random]

Puking Up true Milk I see

I could get very into detail, but as your antagonistic here your attitude will surely be more satanic then

so be a good berean and search it out


Oh wise one, pray, do tell. Share some of your wisdom.

[chachynga]

Back up everything you just said with evidence or scripture. I dare you! You will find nothing Valid. Including the thing you posted somewhere else about God being masculine and The Anti-christ being feminine.
been there done that
and the same wall still exists

lookit
I dont know what your exactly referring to
perhaps you should rethink your position
and come at me with one point only

anyone that has astutely studied religion and the world system, knows
The Godly system is Male and the worldly system is the counterfeit female symbol

[chachynga]

Are you ....., there was no sacrifice provided in Eden.

Think, remember when God provided the SKINS for the clothes he MADE for Adam and Eve. That was SHED BLOOD... and an animal(s) die(s)... to clothe the Adamites.

God is there showing from the beginning that HE and He Alone, will provide Sacrifice for THEIR covering. I.E. Christos!!! in the fast forward version for those that can't snap to the message!:cool:

[chachynga]

I am not the run of the mill modern day so called "CHRISTIAN".
what is a Christian ?

[chachynga]

By the way, you've made it blantantly clear that your original intention was to say as much as you can, and then be booted out. If you're here as a witness for Jesus, why are you making such a mockery out of Him. You're making outrageous statements and then hurling childlike insults at the first site of resistence. If your a witness, you're a bad one. Who the Hell is gonna join a religion belonging to someone like you. Now adstar, or raphael, they know how to atleast not make fools of themselves like you do, and present Jesus to the forums. You say that Agnostics have satan-like attitudes, but it has become blatantly obvious that it is you, who runs against good christianity. You know, the kind that actually converts people.
I know not what you are referring or inferring, however know this:

I am not the run of the mill modern day so called "CHRISTIAN".

These animals are indeed non-christians and are indeed judeo-christians.

A biblical "Christian" or even Jesus himself, would not be tolerated in todays average "church" or internet christian discussion group... they's be booted out of most or stoned to death or placed in prison, or charged with hate chrimes et al.

The point is not to win as many souls, or converts of people possible, that is not Christs desire. Nor could it ever be. Christ does HATE, and I am not ashamed of that. Love, true love, requires HATE. And if people want to label me so bull-**** name, then go the hell ahead. Wouldn't be the first time now will it be the last time.

[chachynga]

You will know them by their fruit.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
what fruit is that? luv ?
:p

[Adstar]

1 Corinthians 13:
13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Faith Hope And Love are 3 fruits of the Holy Spirit. But the greatest is Love without it we are nothing.

1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Yes Love is important indeed.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstar]

They Transgressed the law.

They did not Join Satan.

If they did, then God must approve, he sacrificed an animal and clothed them.

God gave many signs of His future plans to restore man. But that does not change the fact that they wanted to be as God, and that was what satan offered them. (you will be as God) of cource he could not deliver on his deception. But the fact remains Adam and Eve where attracted and desired the same thing satan did. To be Gods. So they where in unity with satan in their desire. They joined satan in spirit.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[chachynga]

1 Corinthians 13:
13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Faith Hope And Love are 3 fruits of the Holy Spirit. But the greatest is Love without it we are nothing.

1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Yes Love is important indeed.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Modern day rendition of true love is not in line with the bible though!

And Love without proper hate is a farce!

[chachynga]

God gave many signs of His future plans to restore man. But that does not change the fact that they wanted to be as God, and that was what satan offered them. (you will be as God) of cource he could not deliver on his deception. But the fact remains Adam and Eve where attracted and desired the same thing satan did. To be Gods. So they where in unity with satan in their desire. They joined satan in spirit.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
You lost me here, maybe because of the quote :

"Originally Posted by chachynga
They Transgressed the law.

They did not Join Satan.

If they did, then God must approve, he sacrificed an animal and clothed them."

I don't understand or recall the exact quote as listed.

And "man" always wants to be as God he wants to pervert truth.

[MisterHoho]

Wait, so now you're saying God wants to pervert the truth? Don't they teach you all the places where you need to use commas (that's this fancy symbol right here-> ' , '!) down in Texas? You must have graduated from GWB High.

[Adstar]

Modern day rendition of true love is not in line with the bible though!

And Love without proper hate is a farce!

But what should the focus of our hate be?

Should the focus be on the sinner or the sin. Should it be on the liar or the lie?

Jesus said love even your enemies. That does not mean that one accepts the lies that they hold as truth or the sin they see as not being sin.

Yes it is good to hate evil but we are the messengers of Gods offer of mercy to the evildoers. We are the ones called to give the message of God to the blind with love. Remember Jesus said he came to earth as a doctor. A doctor does not come for the healthy but for the sick. We who are His followers are here for the same reason, To give the truth in Love so that some may be convicted and come to repentance and the acceptance of the gift of forgiveness that can only be accessed through acceptance of the Messiah Jesus as Lord and Savoir.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstar]

They did not Join Satan.

If they did, then God must approve, he sacrificed an animal and clothed them."

It was and is Gods will for us to have the free will to accept who we will and reject whom we will. Just because God allowed satan to tempt Adam and Eve and He allowed Adam and Eve to accept the temptation does not mean He approved of satans actions or Adam and Eve's response to satans ploy.

It is the same today. God allows man to sin but still holds out the sacrifice of the Messiah Jesus to sinners to atone for their sins and be reconciled to God into eternity.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Daniel]

Modern day rendition of true love is not in line with the bible though!

The Biblical love in that passage is not the "romantic love" you seem to be thinking of.

And Love without proper hate is a farce!

How so?

[chachynga]

Wait, so now you're saying God wants to pervert the truth? Don't they teach you all the places where you need to use commas (that's this fancy symbol right here-> ' , '!) down in Texas? You must have graduated from GWB High.
man wants to pervert truth
he wants to be God

I never said God perverts truth

He i.e. God (for those that cant comprehend)
will allow YOU to BELIEVE a lie though!

[MisterHoho]

He i.e. God (for those that cant comprehend)

i.e. anyone trying to read your posts

will allow YOU to BELIEVE a lie though!
I fail to see how this relates to 'man wanting to be God'.

[chachynga]

i.e. anyone trying to read your posts

I fail to see how this relates to 'man wanting to be God'.
I understand, believe me, and I am not in the X-palining game BS Rabbit Trails.

When the time comes you either understand or you don't. just like the scriptures. You either beileve your own MIND or you believe whats actually being said, either you have a mind to reason and think or you prefer to think you know everything said even when you have no clue.

It's not my place or point to make or have you or anyone understand, you will either research it out or not, most will never comprehend, and THATS okay. Believe me, no amount of making fun and jokes and crap you can do will bother me.

[MisterHoho]

Well then perhaps your own short comings with the English language will.

The reason I don't understand what you said has nothing to do with me being able to propperly interpret the Bible. I can't understand what you said because you couldn't even type a convincing and grammatically correct post if Jesus Christ the Messiah himself came down from the heavens and told you to.

[chachynga]

Well then perhaps your own short comings with the English language will.

The reason I don't understand what you said has nothing to do with me being able to propperly interpret the Bible. I can't understand what you said because you couldn't even type a convincing and grammatically correct post if Jesus Christ the Messiah himself came down from the heavens and told you to.
then GIVE up and go away
you needent eber worrie bouts talken eber to me

ok.ay

good

[MisterHoho]

How old are you? Honestly, I want to know.

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